Post by Avant Grape Post by grunk Post by volkfolk
She picked a song by Celine Dion for her Campaign song
As much as I dislike Hillary, I could survive her presidency, but if I have
to listen to Celine fucking Dion everytime I see one of her campaign
commercials, I'm moving to Iceland
There are certain things that ever true American shouldn't be subjected to
and Celine Dion is definitely one of them
Disgusted (tm DK)
If Hillary has a sane exit stategy for Iraq she can pretty much change
our national anthem to a,fucking Celine Dion song for all I care!
Well, let's get real. Hillary is proposing a reduction of troops, not
an exit strategy. We'll have military bases in Iraq for at least a
decade and likely many more. That's an inescapable fact, and nothing
that any politician says will change it.
There's no good reason for the troops to stay there any longer than it
takes them to organize and accomplish a complete and orderly
withdrawal. Yea, the US broke it, and owns the lion's share of
responibility for the ugly, deadly mess. But I don't happen to believe
that a liberal, pro-war Democrat as president will do anything
substantial to clean-up the mess. (Been there, done that. In 1968 LBJ
declined to run for a second full term due largely to mushrooming anti-
If anyone, Democrat or Republican, thinks the US having military bases
in Iraq for at least a decade" is anything other than a policy of
ongoing U.S. occupation/war/insurgency, they are, at best, deluded.
The fact is, we did break it and it is seriously broken. But that
doesn't mean that we have the *ability* to "fix it." There is no way
that US military bases can exist there without huge numbers of troops
for security and supply. The same folks who are blowing up US troops
now will be blowing them up in two years, four years and so on.
And someone tell me why. Why does the US need to mainain bases? To
prevent the Iraqis from slaughtering each other? Even if we have to
kill them to do the job? We can't seem to stop it now. What, exactly,
will be different when we change presidents? The insurgents are not
going to go back to their day jobs just because a Democrat gets
elected. For too many of them, that *is* their day job. That means
that if US soldiers stay there, they will be attacked. They will be
seen as foreign occupiers. At least if we have a complete withdrawal
from Iraq American soldiers will stop killing and being killed there.
Will Iraq descend into chaos and blood if US troops leave? Yes, but it
sure looks like that's where it's rapidly going anyway. The "surge"
has troop levels at an all-time high and the Iraqis are busier than
ever killing each other. Our troop presence there is a huge lightening
rod for more violence and death.
We need to get the fuck out and let the Iraqis figure it out. Sorry,
Middle East, we screwed up big-time but it's time for the US to get
out and turn our attention and rescources to other issues. And, for
some, to admit/realize that it is, after all, your country, not ours.
If y'all get a stable, peaceful government together, maybe we can help
financially. If our credit is still good, that is...
The war is the single most important national and international issue
today. There is no sane reason to continue it but it sure looks like
no one in the leadership of either the Dems or GOP, has the balls to
just say it's got to stop. Now.
I think the American people are leaning that way, but we'll see.