anyone else find ratdog painful to see in concert?

[g***@hotmail.com]

okay, so maybe I shouldnt have eaten the mushrooms......but heading
into the 8/9 show in maryland I was as psyched to see a band as I have
ever been, but 2 songs in, I knew it was a mistake to have driven 9
hours......




Chuck

[dwolf]

I find Weir a bit painful singing Jerry's tunes, and even back in the 90's
and late 80's when they pulled out some great old Pig tunes... Bob just had
no handle on them... No sole, that's the word I was looking for.... But
he's still our great friend Bob who belted out some great tunes with
Jerry...

Post by g***@hotmail.com
okay, so maybe I shouldnt have eaten the mushrooms......but heading
into the 8/9 show in maryland I was as psyched to see a band as I have
ever been, but 2 songs in, I knew it was a mistake to have driven 9
hours......
Chuck

[Andrew Murawa]

Post by dwolf
No sole, that's the word I was looking for....

I dunno man... Sometimes it sure sounds like he has his foot in his
mouth...

[king88uy7]

Yep. Bobby isn't a good band leader, but his ego says otherwise.

[g***@hotmail.com]

i loved ratdog the first tour out in 95, furthur in 96 was a decent
show too, but by 97, when he was doing the jerry tunes, I lost it.....

[dearmeyer®]

Post by g***@hotmail.com
i loved ratdog the first tour out in 95, furthur in 96 was a decent
show too, but by 97, when he was doing the jerry tunes, I lost it.....

I hated Ratdog in the 90's after the 2001 tour I started liking them.
Actually I never made it all the way through a show in the 90's.

[p***@my-deja.com]

The answer to that is no. I've seen Ratdog on several occasions in
several venues and have never failed to have an enjoyable time and a
worthwhile musical experience.

It is a different experience from seeing the Grateful Dead or the Dead
or PLQ in its various incarnations, but that is the idea, isn't it?

I for one love the idea that Bob and the boys are out there keeping the
flame burning and I would be bummed if I couldn't see someone
performing Jerry's songs live now that he isn't here to do it himself.
The evil that Jerry did with the Persian lives long after him on this
board, why should the good be interred with his bones, or dumped in the
Ganges with his ashes or whatever.

A day is coming where you won't be able to drive 9 hours or 90 hours
and still see Dead tunes perfomed by original band members. Then you'll
wish you hadn't ragged on Bob so much, or given Phil shit for spending
time with his family -- although I'm happy he's back on the road as
well.

[toledo44]

Post by p***@my-deja.com
The answer to that is no. I've seen Ratdog on several occasions in
several venues and have never failed to have an enjoyable time and a
worthwhile musical experience.
It is a different experience from seeing the Grateful Dead or the Dead
or PLQ in its various incarnations, but that is the idea, isn't it?
I for one love the idea that Bob and the boys are out there keeping the
flame burning and I would be bummed if I couldn't see someone
performing Jerry's songs live now that he isn't here to do it himself.
The evil that Jerry did with the Persian lives long after him on this
board, why should the good be interred with his bones, or dumped in the
Ganges with his ashes or whatever.
A day is coming where you won't be able to drive 9 hours or 90 hours
and still see Dead tunes perfomed by original band members. Then you'll
wish you hadn't ragged on Bob so much, or given Phil shit for spending
time with his family -- although I'm happy he's back on the road as
well.

[toledo44]

Post by p***@my-deja.com
The answer to that is no. I've seen Ratdog on several occasions in
several venues and have never failed to have an enjoyable time and a
worthwhile musical experience.
It is a different experience from seeing the Grateful Dead or the Dead
or PLQ in its various incarnations, but that is the idea, isn't it?
I for one love the idea that Bob and the boys are out there keeping the
flame burning and I would be bummed if I couldn't see someone
performing Jerry's songs live now that he isn't here to do it himself.
The evil that Jerry did with the Persian lives long after him on this
board, why should the good be interred with his bones, or dumped in the
Ganges with his ashes or whatever.
A day is coming where you won't be able to drive 9 hours or 90 hours
and still see Dead tunes perfomed by original band members. Then you'll
wish you hadn't ragged on Bob so much, or given Phil shit for spending
time with his family -- although I'm happy he's back on the road as
well.

[toledo44]

Post by p***@my-deja.com
The answer to that is no. I've seen Ratdog on several occasions in
several venues and have never failed to have an enjoyable time and a
worthwhile musical experience.
It is a different experience from seeing the Grateful Dead or the Dead
or PLQ in its various incarnations, but that is the idea, isn't it?
I for one love the idea that Bob and the boys are out there keeping the
flame burning and I would be bummed if I couldn't see someone
performing Jerry's songs live now that he isn't here to do it himself.
The evil that Jerry did with the Persian lives long after him on this
board, why should the good be interred with his bones, or dumped in the
Ganges with his ashes or whatever.
A day is coming where you won't be able to drive 9 hours or 90 hours
and still see Dead tunes perfomed by original band members. Then you'll
wish you hadn't ragged on Bob so much, or given Phil shit for spending
time with his family -- although I'm happy he's back on the road as
well.

[toledo44]

RIGHT ON

[Nick's Picks]

I really enjoy ratdog.
its just jay lanes boaring ass drumming that I get stuck on...thats the
only downfall.

[Olompali4]

Painful? Not at all. But all post Garcia, GD related projects by
remaining members involving live shows with the classic repertoire are
severely lacking.
Weir, at least, seems to breeze by year after year while Lesh and Hart
are so overly dramatic in presentation they nearly reach ludicrous
speed.

[toledo44]

RIGHT ON

[tim_ratdog]

Post by p***@my-deja.com
The answer to that is no. I've seen Ratdog on several occasions in
several venues and have never failed to have an enjoyable time and a
worthwhile musical experience.
It is a different experience from seeing the Grateful Dead or the Dead
or PLQ in its various incarnations, but that is the idea, isn't it?
I for one love the idea that Bob and the boys are out there keeping the
flame burning and I would be bummed if I couldn't see someone
performing Jerry's songs live now that he isn't here to do it himself.

Absolutely. And not just Ratdog, I think Phil does a great Franklins &
Row Jimmy. Now if we could just get someone to do TLEO I could rest
easy as a first setter.

-tim

[g***@hotmail.com]

Post by p***@my-deja.com
The answer to that is no. I've seen Ratdog on several occasions in
several venues and have never failed to have an enjoyable time and a
worthwhile musical experience.
It is a different experience from seeing the Grateful Dead or the Dead
or PLQ in its various incarnations, but that is the idea, isn't it?
I for one love the idea that Bob and the boys are out there keeping the
flame burning and I would be bummed if I couldn't see someone
performing Jerry's songs live now that he isn't here to do it himself.
The evil that Jerry did with the Persian lives long after him on this
board, why should the good be interred with his bones, or dumped in the
Ganges with his ashes or whatever.
A day is coming where you won't be able to drive 9 hours or 90 hours
and still see Dead tunes perfomed by original band members. Then you'll
wish you hadn't ragged on Bob so much, or given Phil shit for spending
time with his family -- although I'm happy he's back on the road as
well.

Indubitably!

.

[Effty]

Post by g***@hotmail.com
okay, so maybe I shouldnt have eaten the mushrooms......but heading
into the 8/9 show in maryland I was as psyched to see a band as I have
ever been, but 2 songs in, I knew it was a mistake to have driven 9
hours......
Chuck

I enjoy Ratdog, but last time I saw them was in a bar about 10 minutes
from my house. 2004, I think. 9 hours is a real stretch! I'm sure
Booby has off nights, but every time I've seen him he's been in good
form.

[The Lord of Eltingville]

Nah, I don't find 'em painful. The couple shows I've seen left me
feeling that they could have done a lot more with the music (both GD
songs and originals). Too reserved. Too...predictable.

That being said, I've got a few older RD shows in my collection that I
really enjoy listening to from time to time.

Would I go see 'em again? Maybe...as long as they were playing
somewhere convenient and I had the cash.


~Ted

[Rupert]

First time I saw them was Oklahoma 2001, after flying out there from
Oakland, and being miserable in the humidity and 100-degree weather.
They played a two hour+ set of absolute lounge tunes! Their version of
Terrapin was downright painful to listen to.

Saw them again open for Phil at Redrocks a year later, and they were
fantastic! I don't know how they do it...they did the same thing during
the New Year's run in 2001...brilliant one night, the next night, crap.

[Everybody's Gonna Be Happy]

Post by g***@hotmail.com
okay, so maybe I shouldnt have eaten the mushrooms......but heading
into the 8/9 show in maryland I was as psyched to see a band as I have
ever been, but 2 songs in, I knew it was a mistake to have driven 9
hours......

No, I've seen them several times and every one was great.

Love Bob doing the Jerry songs too.

EGBH

[RickNBarbInSD]

Post by Everybody's Gonna Be Happy

Post by g***@hotmail.com
okay, so maybe I shouldnt have eaten the mushrooms......but heading
into the 8/9 show in maryland I was as psyched to see a band as I have
ever been, but 2 songs in, I knew it was a mistake to have driven 9
hours......

No, I've seen them several times and every one was great.
Love Bob doing the Jerry songs too.
EGBH

I am wit you, Everybody!!!!!!!


Rick

[JonP]

Post by g***@hotmail.com
okay, so maybe I shouldnt have eaten the mushrooms......but heading
into the 8/9 show in maryland I was as psyched to see a band as I have
ever been, but 2 songs in, I knew it was a mistake to have driven 9
hours......
Chuck

I love ratdog, it was that god awful nudead that made me nauseous..
JonP

[Carlisle]

There's nothing post-Jerry that I care to continue listening to..Not
that I wouldn't still see and enjoy Ratdog or Phil & Friends. But
really, any Grateful Dead magic that was left died about 10 years ago.
Thoughts?
Carrie

[Effty]

Post by Carlisle
There's nothing post-Jerry that I care to continue listening to..Not
that I wouldn't still see and enjoy Ratdog or Phil & Friends. But
really, any Grateful Dead magic that was left died about 10 years ago.
Thoughts?
Carrie

I went to the Dead family reunion at Alpine Valley 2002-08-03&04, and
that seemed nicely magical. I met lots of really nice people from all
over the country, and came home with lots of funny stories. There was
even a rainbow! Maybe it was the fungus, but I had a good time. The
music was great too! Robert Hunter was an especially nice treat.
Otherwise post-Garcia is just good music with tiny little bits of
magic. The family reunion was great though!

-Effty

[Carlisle]

Post by Effty

Post by Carlisle
There's nothing post-Jerry that I care to continue listening to..Not
that I wouldn't still see and enjoy Ratdog or Phil & Friends. But
really, any Grateful Dead magic that was left died about 10 years ago.
Thoughts?
Carrie

I went to the Dead family reunion at Alpine Valley 2002-08-03&04, and
that seemed nicely magical. I met lots of really nice people from all
over the country, and came home with lots of funny stories. There was
even a rainbow! Maybe it was the fungus, but I had a good time. The
music was great too! Robert Hunter was an especially nice treat.
Otherwise post-Garcia is just good music with tiny little bits of
magic. The family reunion was great though!
-Effty

I should say that catching Phil and Friends kick off the Here Comes
Sunshine Tour Spring 2001 with my nephew was pretty magical. Sure I was
in good spirits and the music pleasantly suprised me.
Let the good times roll-
Carrie

[katrinka]

I love RatDog.

They don't play enough shows in the Bay Area.

But they don't get much respect in the Bay Area (if you count ticket sales
as a sign of respect) so I suppose that's why we don't get more shows
here.

I love RatDog enough that if there is a conflict NYE, I'll see RatDog over
Phil & Friends.

I hope there's no conflict - I've loved almost every project Phil's done
post-95, too.

katrinka

[RossMcGibbon]

Seen them eight times - 4 with Robin Sylvester on bass, four the year
before.
Love 'em.
Okay, they're not perfect but I'd take them over 94 or 95 Dead.
Songs, passion and jamming. More organic feeling than Phil can be
sometimes.
I'm not about to start collecting show recordings but a damn good night
out. And, yes, I'd drive 9 hours.

Ross

[RickNBarbInSD]

Post by RossMcGibbon
Love 'em.
Okay, they're not perfect but I'd take them over 94 or 95 Dead.
Songs, passion and jamming. More organic feeling than Phil can be
sometimes.
I'm not about to start collecting show recordings but a damn good night
out. And, yes, I'd drive 9 hours.
Ross

Yup! Last time I caught 'em wuz at 4th an' B in SD a couple a' years
ago now an' they rocked the joint! ASS-KICKING OMSN
encore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick

[Roxanne McDaniel]

Post by RossMcGibbon
Love 'em.
Okay, they're not perfect but I'd take them over 94 or 95 Dead.
Songs, passion and jamming. More organic feeling than Phil can be
sometimes.
I'm not about to start collecting show recordings but a damn good night
out. And, yes, I'd drive 9 hours.
Ross

Yup! Last time I caught 'em wuz at 4th an' B in SD a couple a' years
ago now an' they rocked the joint! ASS-KICKING OMSN
encore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick
*****************************************

Truth be told, I'd rather see Ratdog than P&F. Is Bobby still falling down
drunk? If so, I'll save the $35.

[RickNBarbInSD]

Post by RickNBarbInSD

Post by RossMcGibbon
Love 'em.
Okay, they're not perfect but I'd take them over 94 or 95 Dead.
Songs, passion and jamming. More organic feeling than Phil can be
sometimes.
I'm not about to start collecting show recordings but a damn good night
out. And, yes, I'd drive 9 hours.
Ross

Yup! Last time I caught 'em wuz at 4th an' B in SD a couple a' years
ago now an' they rocked the joint! ASS-KICKING OMSN
encore!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rick
*****************************************
Truth be told, I'd rather see Ratdog than P&F. Is Bobby still falling down
drunk? If so, I'll save the $35.

Like I said, this was a couple o' years ago. That was a GREAT show!
Last year Barbara's mother went into the hospital so we gave away our
tixs as miracle tixs outside 4th an' B an' that night as it turned out,
Bobby didn't come out for the 2nd set. I had heard he was "sick",
dunno if that was code for "falling down drunk" or not. I have read
here on RMGD that they have been smokin' hot lately, but I can
personally neither confirm nor deny. ;D



Rick



Rick